immi_twinges
07-17 03:09 PM
I agree with you immi...I would love to have that but i believe its not practical...coz as per existing laws there are 140k employement visas alloted per year...if you are gonna use uncaptured visas from the previous years then this number would be >140k.. which would require a change in the law...with the current govt in power (inspite of the President being pro immigration),Iraq war,elections,Anti immigration sentiments before elections,etc..i donot foresee it happeneing anytime soon... my $0.02
First they Ignore us,
Then they laugh at us,
Then they fight us,
Then we win.
- MK Gandhi
Have faith ... never loose hope with out trying
We should never come to conclusions before trying.
I saw in other thread that president is signing a petition related to backlogged passport application...well that is going on smoothly with out any hurdle..
Dream act is introduced with out any hurdle.
May be its the right time .They are unsuccessful with the illegal immigration (amnesty bill) .... If we try legal immigration issues now... may be they will be okay .... I dont think there will much opposition for legal immigration as there was for illegal immigration
We are not asking for increase in number...we are asking for the numbers we lost due to the USCIS laziness.
I think we can ask for it...Its not our mistake...its USCIS mistake
I don't think even citizens will oppose it...we have been waiting so long...they will understand...
I think its the right time ... my boss was saying that he heard how many visa numbers were wasted on Public radio and he was very sympathetic.
May be they will not agree on increasing the GC numbers or taking dependents out of the GC count but i am sure they will be okay recapturing the lost numbers
May be not all one time...at least in installments ...heheh this can work too
Lets try guys...we had such a big publicity and very good response recently...dont let it go it waste..lets put a little more effort
First they Ignore us,
Then they laugh at us,
Then they fight us,
Then we win.
- MK Gandhi
Have faith ... never loose hope with out trying
We should never come to conclusions before trying.
I saw in other thread that president is signing a petition related to backlogged passport application...well that is going on smoothly with out any hurdle..
Dream act is introduced with out any hurdle.
May be its the right time .They are unsuccessful with the illegal immigration (amnesty bill) .... If we try legal immigration issues now... may be they will be okay .... I dont think there will much opposition for legal immigration as there was for illegal immigration
We are not asking for increase in number...we are asking for the numbers we lost due to the USCIS laziness.
I think we can ask for it...Its not our mistake...its USCIS mistake
I don't think even citizens will oppose it...we have been waiting so long...they will understand...
I think its the right time ... my boss was saying that he heard how many visa numbers were wasted on Public radio and he was very sympathetic.
May be they will not agree on increasing the GC numbers or taking dependents out of the GC count but i am sure they will be okay recapturing the lost numbers
May be not all one time...at least in installments ...heheh this can work too
Lets try guys...we had such a big publicity and very good response recently...dont let it go it waste..lets put a little more effort
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whatamidoinghere
02-11 04:23 AM
Looking at the table in immigration-law.com, it appears that 33% have been certified and 33% have been closed/denied of the present 67% that have been processed. Those are absolute numbers (it is not 33% of 67% closed, it is 33% of the total 330K). Hence of the 220K cases processed, 110K have been certified and 110K closed/denied.
If the same trend holds, it will be 165K certified (out of a total of 330K). Add the 1.1 multiplying factor and we are looking at 346K total GCs. This is 2.5 years total. But USCIS seems to be sending off excess EB 1-2 visas to EB3 ROW so retrogression will continue for EB2 India and China.
There is some massive confusion here. The Immigration and Nationality Act also says the following for EB3
-Quote
(3) Skilled workers, professionals, and other workers
(A) In general
Visas shall be made available, in a number not to exceed 28.6 percent of such worldwide level, plus any visas not required for the classes specified in paragraphs (1) and (2), to the following classes of aliens who are not described in paragraph (2):
-End Quote
Read the term "Not to exceed 28.6 percent". So EB3 can't exceed 28.6 percent which means unused visas from EB2 cant all go to EB3. Since EB2 ROW is current, the unused EB2 visas should be coming to EB2 India & china as per AC21 law.. no?
We shouldn't assume that USCIS is too dumb to follow the law..
If the same trend holds, it will be 165K certified (out of a total of 330K). Add the 1.1 multiplying factor and we are looking at 346K total GCs. This is 2.5 years total. But USCIS seems to be sending off excess EB 1-2 visas to EB3 ROW so retrogression will continue for EB2 India and China.
There is some massive confusion here. The Immigration and Nationality Act also says the following for EB3
-Quote
(3) Skilled workers, professionals, and other workers
(A) In general
Visas shall be made available, in a number not to exceed 28.6 percent of such worldwide level, plus any visas not required for the classes specified in paragraphs (1) and (2), to the following classes of aliens who are not described in paragraph (2):
-End Quote
Read the term "Not to exceed 28.6 percent". So EB3 can't exceed 28.6 percent which means unused visas from EB2 cant all go to EB3. Since EB2 ROW is current, the unused EB2 visas should be coming to EB2 India & china as per AC21 law.. no?
We shouldn't assume that USCIS is too dumb to follow the law..
qasleuth
07-24 02:25 PM
Let me give this a shot:
Brightsider/Raji,
Going by your id registration date, I am presuming you are new to this site and do not know the history of what transpired over the last few years. There are hundreds of threads/discussions/posts where these arguments have been made and answered. We (all of us) are seeing increased interest in solving our EB-GC problems because of hopeless retrogression and a ray of hope in terms of CIR. Just because one shows new interest, you cannot expect immediate consolation and agreement on what you say/propose.
There were numerous times when members felt a specific campaign and/or item needs to be pursued. Serious discussions happened and eventually the advice of core which gets its info from various sources supported or not. There is nothing to stop you or I from pursuing an option.
I for many months did not understand the rationale and the way the system/politics function in this country. I still do not understand. BUT I do understand certain basic things:
1. How laws are crafted: the process, the resources involved and other technical matters.
2. Lobbying and advocacy: What role they play when dealing with lawmaking. Go read about the healthcare bill and what is happening in the Congress, lobbying, interest groups, associations, ordinary citizens, PACs, non-partisan groups. you might get a taste of what this is all about.
3. Systems: USCIS, DOL, Homeland Security etc
4. Politics: The main parties involved (Dems, Republicans). Who reacts to what and what their core values are. What is left, middle, right. who is where.
5. How national and state politics matter.
I am going to generalize here a bit: A lot of members who get their info from CNN or Google Reader or other 'mainstream' media sources might get either a black or white version of news/happenings. I quickly realized there are numerous shades of gray when dealing with Washington DC. How politics of left, middle and right come into play, which Senator or representative votes which way and why, etc. Listening to a press conference and reading an article on CNN does not give one insight into politics. These are the 'backend' intelligence which I trust core to know and advice us. I do not expect them to reveal their sources nor specific tactics. Most often than not, there is a rational explanation.
In this specific case, my take is: AILA with all their nobel intentions are in the 'business' of making money from folks like us and our employers. There are many shades here and it is not all black or white as it may seem. Like a member pointed out, AILA does not represent just EB or legal immigration. There are other things involved which may be detrimental to us (you do not want to be bracketed in the same category as illegals or want amnesty as an example). Apart from this, timing is critical.
One of the most important parties apart from Lawmakers is our opponents. Anti-immigrants who wants to know tactics, strategy: who we are calling, whom we are faxing, whom we are meeting, how we work, etc. They doggedly follow and couteract many items. For every fax/call/email you send there might be a counter reply from anti-immigrants. When core suggests confidentiality and secrecy, those I believe are not some magic/secret cloakish things but a matter of pragmatic reality. That is the world we are in and to be successful, we have to deal with those realities.
Giving out updated information is not as simple as it seems. These are steps which can be easily retraced and antis can quickly use those steps and backstab us, crippling our efforts. Updated information == tactics. My last point is about: Donors Vs Non-donors. Do you know that you need not be a donor to volunteer ? Try getting in touch with folks at IV. There is a lot you can do and you seem to be the right person whom we need on our side. I urge you to contact IV.
Brightsider/Raji,
Going by your id registration date, I am presuming you are new to this site and do not know the history of what transpired over the last few years. There are hundreds of threads/discussions/posts where these arguments have been made and answered. We (all of us) are seeing increased interest in solving our EB-GC problems because of hopeless retrogression and a ray of hope in terms of CIR. Just because one shows new interest, you cannot expect immediate consolation and agreement on what you say/propose.
There were numerous times when members felt a specific campaign and/or item needs to be pursued. Serious discussions happened and eventually the advice of core which gets its info from various sources supported or not. There is nothing to stop you or I from pursuing an option.
I for many months did not understand the rationale and the way the system/politics function in this country. I still do not understand. BUT I do understand certain basic things:
1. How laws are crafted: the process, the resources involved and other technical matters.
2. Lobbying and advocacy: What role they play when dealing with lawmaking. Go read about the healthcare bill and what is happening in the Congress, lobbying, interest groups, associations, ordinary citizens, PACs, non-partisan groups. you might get a taste of what this is all about.
3. Systems: USCIS, DOL, Homeland Security etc
4. Politics: The main parties involved (Dems, Republicans). Who reacts to what and what their core values are. What is left, middle, right. who is where.
5. How national and state politics matter.
I am going to generalize here a bit: A lot of members who get their info from CNN or Google Reader or other 'mainstream' media sources might get either a black or white version of news/happenings. I quickly realized there are numerous shades of gray when dealing with Washington DC. How politics of left, middle and right come into play, which Senator or representative votes which way and why, etc. Listening to a press conference and reading an article on CNN does not give one insight into politics. These are the 'backend' intelligence which I trust core to know and advice us. I do not expect them to reveal their sources nor specific tactics. Most often than not, there is a rational explanation.
In this specific case, my take is: AILA with all their nobel intentions are in the 'business' of making money from folks like us and our employers. There are many shades here and it is not all black or white as it may seem. Like a member pointed out, AILA does not represent just EB or legal immigration. There are other things involved which may be detrimental to us (you do not want to be bracketed in the same category as illegals or want amnesty as an example). Apart from this, timing is critical.
One of the most important parties apart from Lawmakers is our opponents. Anti-immigrants who wants to know tactics, strategy: who we are calling, whom we are faxing, whom we are meeting, how we work, etc. They doggedly follow and couteract many items. For every fax/call/email you send there might be a counter reply from anti-immigrants. When core suggests confidentiality and secrecy, those I believe are not some magic/secret cloakish things but a matter of pragmatic reality. That is the world we are in and to be successful, we have to deal with those realities.
Giving out updated information is not as simple as it seems. These are steps which can be easily retraced and antis can quickly use those steps and backstab us, crippling our efforts. Updated information == tactics. My last point is about: Donors Vs Non-donors. Do you know that you need not be a donor to volunteer ? Try getting in touch with folks at IV. There is a lot you can do and you seem to be the right person whom we need on our side. I urge you to contact IV.
2011 Jamie Campbell Bower
eb3_nepa
02-05 09:41 PM
I totally agree with you viva...
Is this a solution to retrogression?
Oh my god...
USCIS please let our spouses work and take as much time as you want to give us the green card we are not in a hurry!!!!
How can anyone come up with these un realistic solutions man.
True true true This persons intension is not a GC but make money...
Please let us not go further into this, let us prepare ourselfs to fight for the I-485 provision that IV is working on..
We shall overcome
First off, i have mentioned above that this is NOT a solution to retrogression. Secondly, the USCIS does not care what we say to them, they are going to take exactly how much time they want to take to process our Green cards. All I was suggesting was, we ask for interim relief. Now like Logiclife mentioned we are trying for smaller bits of interim relief and that is a reasonable answer. However please do not make remarks like "this person is here to make money and is not after GC". Are we not all after making money? Is that not why we want GCs? We certainly dont want the GC to frame it and keep it next to our other trophies do we? Then why are people accusing me of wanting to "make money"? The problem with some people on this forum is the lack of respect for an alternate view. It is one thing to disagree and it is another to make ridiculous off topic remarks about what someone said.
Is this a solution to retrogression?
Oh my god...
USCIS please let our spouses work and take as much time as you want to give us the green card we are not in a hurry!!!!
How can anyone come up with these un realistic solutions man.
True true true This persons intension is not a GC but make money...
Please let us not go further into this, let us prepare ourselfs to fight for the I-485 provision that IV is working on..
We shall overcome
First off, i have mentioned above that this is NOT a solution to retrogression. Secondly, the USCIS does not care what we say to them, they are going to take exactly how much time they want to take to process our Green cards. All I was suggesting was, we ask for interim relief. Now like Logiclife mentioned we are trying for smaller bits of interim relief and that is a reasonable answer. However please do not make remarks like "this person is here to make money and is not after GC". Are we not all after making money? Is that not why we want GCs? We certainly dont want the GC to frame it and keep it next to our other trophies do we? Then why are people accusing me of wanting to "make money"? The problem with some people on this forum is the lack of respect for an alternate view. It is one thing to disagree and it is another to make ridiculous off topic remarks about what someone said.
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lonedesi
02-06 12:18 AM
I completely agree with Logiclife and the goals IV has setforth to solve our problems. There is only so much one can achieve with limited resources under which IV operates.
We need to have a set of priorities and work on that one step at time. Though I have not been to DC, I can understand what IV is going through to get us some relief. The least I can do is contribute for our cause and thats what I am doing right now.
I wish people had some common sense and better understanding of the bigger picture(& issues) before they get involved in finger pointing and asking for more.
Everyone, please be patient and support IV whole heartedly and financially so that we can atleast attempt to fix the broken immigration system. Though I am VERY optimistic that we will achieve our goals in the near future, but I would not regret even once, if we failed. It is better to try and fail than not give it a shot at all.
We need to have a set of priorities and work on that one step at time. Though I have not been to DC, I can understand what IV is going through to get us some relief. The least I can do is contribute for our cause and thats what I am doing right now.
I wish people had some common sense and better understanding of the bigger picture(& issues) before they get involved in finger pointing and asking for more.
Everyone, please be patient and support IV whole heartedly and financially so that we can atleast attempt to fix the broken immigration system. Though I am VERY optimistic that we will achieve our goals in the near future, but I would not regret even once, if we failed. It is better to try and fail than not give it a shot at all.
dr_vroeg
06-14 05:00 PM
wait a tic....I thought we could only have one entry?...me confused:|
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quizzer
01-30 05:20 PM
I did just now. It was question no 1
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T-O
06-15 06:48 AM
Introducing the Apple iBOY. Wish I could have spent more time on it, but I'm too lazy ;).
Edit: I just realized this is not really a skin... more of a modification. Is it legal? If not, I'd like to have this entry voided so I can try again hehe.
:thumb: This one's awesome! :D
Edit: I just realized this is not really a skin... more of a modification. Is it legal? If not, I'd like to have this entry voided so I can try again hehe.
:thumb: This one's awesome! :D
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Naveen
05-25 09:56 AM
http://www.aila.com/content/default.aspx?docid=28941
Good Info OP!
Good Info OP!
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vsrinir
09-17 12:07 PM
I guess after this step "it has to go to Rules Committee and await determinations by the Rules Committee as to how much debate will be allowed and whether floor amendments will be allowed, and if so , how many.
"
Just for the clarification of some of our friends (corrections are welcome) -
The current discussion is in the House Judiciary Committee. After this, the major steps for the bill will be to go through the House and Senate for discussions and voting.
There is still a long way to go, but sure this is an important milestone to pass the Judiciary Committee.
And it might not even be possible to get it to the House before the Pres elections. But the good thing is it will not have to go through the Judiciary commitee again.
Just wanted to state it for the benefit of the people who are not aware, as we are not building hopes that it will be all over today or in the next few days.
"
Just for the clarification of some of our friends (corrections are welcome) -
The current discussion is in the House Judiciary Committee. After this, the major steps for the bill will be to go through the House and Senate for discussions and voting.
There is still a long way to go, but sure this is an important milestone to pass the Judiciary Committee.
And it might not even be possible to get it to the House before the Pres elections. But the good thing is it will not have to go through the Judiciary commitee again.
Just wanted to state it for the benefit of the people who are not aware, as we are not building hopes that it will be all over today or in the next few days.
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smsthss
09-17 11:23 AM
audio is not clear at all
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psk79
07-18 12:24 PM
Mine.
Date Delivered To USCIS: July 2
Time Delivered To USCIS: 10.30 AM
Service Center: NSC
Rejected: Don't Know
Date Delivered To USCIS: July 2
Time Delivered To USCIS: 10.30 AM
Service Center: NSC
Rejected: Don't Know
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scorpion00
08-13 05:56 PM
What a stupid post.
Do you really think that all EB3 people are no US-educated? EB2/EB3 is dictated by job requirements and not the actual qualifications of someone. I am graduate of a top ranked US university but applied in EB3 since my job didn't require M.S and my company didn't want to manipulate the job requirements.
I am sure there are many more like me who were qualified for EB2 but applied in EB3.
If this is the best you can come up, I really hope that this was your first and last post.
Do you really think that all EB3 people are no US-educated? EB2/EB3 is dictated by job requirements and not the actual qualifications of someone. I am graduate of a top ranked US university but applied in EB3 since my job didn't require M.S and my company didn't want to manipulate the job requirements.
I am sure there are many more like me who were qualified for EB2 but applied in EB3.
If this is the best you can come up, I really hope that this was your first and last post.
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maddipati1
09-25 03:52 PM
those who are defending IV has more green dots coz, they are the ones who do all the volunteer work and involve actively.
get it! now can u rest for a while not ur case :-)
Just an observation -
Folks who are defending IV has a lot of Green dots -
I rest my case.
get it! now can u rest for a while not ur case :-)
Just an observation -
Folks who are defending IV has a lot of Green dots -
I rest my case.
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Macaca
11-19 02:07 PM
The ONLY reason for CIR derailment was public opposition generated MAINLY by Lou LIAR DoGGs & Associates. Thus, there is no reason to believe that countering their effort should have lower priority then ANY other activity.
Programmers Guild, numbers USA, ALIPAC, zazona, are the 1st to blog at EVERY immigration site. Numbers USA is already there at Bill Clinton and Obama Agree: GOP Will Make Immigration an Issue (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/11/09/post_191.html) & Programmers Guild is at Senators Want International Students to Stay Longer (http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=918edda3d6c4761cec157 6421181ab8a). They are not doing it for NOTHING.
It is not possible to win every battle with them. At the same time it is not good to ignore every battle.
The problem is that this takes time. Also, the arguments have become deeper and require good understanding of issues based on reading. It is Immigration 401 now. Most IV agruments have moved to middle school and will soon move to pre-school.
Also, benefits of confrontation are hard to quantify and will not be IMMEDIATE. It will always be work in progress.
I had ignored the H1B argument since it did not affect me. I have started paying attention to it recently, which takes time. Excepting for 3+ provable arguments against Indian Consulting companies, all anti-H1B arguments are G A R B A G E. You can see the contradictions in an article if you read it carefully; some paras are contradicting. You can contradict the others by quoting other articles.
However, Programmers Guild keeps on spreading LIES at every opportunity. They are not doing it because it is useless!
In short, please learn how to learn.
Programmers Guild, numbers USA, ALIPAC, zazona, are the 1st to blog at EVERY immigration site. Numbers USA is already there at Bill Clinton and Obama Agree: GOP Will Make Immigration an Issue (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/11/09/post_191.html) & Programmers Guild is at Senators Want International Students to Stay Longer (http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=918edda3d6c4761cec157 6421181ab8a). They are not doing it for NOTHING.
It is not possible to win every battle with them. At the same time it is not good to ignore every battle.
The problem is that this takes time. Also, the arguments have become deeper and require good understanding of issues based on reading. It is Immigration 401 now. Most IV agruments have moved to middle school and will soon move to pre-school.
Also, benefits of confrontation are hard to quantify and will not be IMMEDIATE. It will always be work in progress.
I had ignored the H1B argument since it did not affect me. I have started paying attention to it recently, which takes time. Excepting for 3+ provable arguments against Indian Consulting companies, all anti-H1B arguments are G A R B A G E. You can see the contradictions in an article if you read it carefully; some paras are contradicting. You can contradict the others by quoting other articles.
However, Programmers Guild keeps on spreading LIES at every opportunity. They are not doing it because it is useless!
In short, please learn how to learn.
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arc
06-13 03:52 PM
EB3 I is still very unfortunate... I guess this is how the melting pot works... correct me if I am wrong.
Out of 140K Visas 7%= 9800 is assigned to India (All Categories)
Out of 9800 - First EB1 then left over EB2 and Then leftover to EB3 :(
From over all left over of 140K - First EB1 then left over EB2 and Then leftover to EB3 (all other countries) - Left over (EB3 China) - Left over to (EB3 India) :(
EB3 India is lowest on the FOOD Chain!!!
Out of 140K Visas 7%= 9800 is assigned to India (All Categories)
Out of 9800 - First EB1 then left over EB2 and Then leftover to EB3 :(
From over all left over of 140K - First EB1 then left over EB2 and Then leftover to EB3 (all other countries) - Left over (EB3 China) - Left over to (EB3 India) :(
EB3 India is lowest on the FOOD Chain!!!
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ita
08-25 01:45 PM
what about the home loans from ICICI bank.
Which bank would be best bet to apply for home loans?
Appreciate suggestion in this context.
Thank you.
^^
Which bank would be best bet to apply for home loans?
Appreciate suggestion in this context.
Thank you.
^^
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willigetagc
08-19 02:04 PM
I understand your frustration. Believe me I have gone thru the same.
When I filed for my I-485 in 2000, the PD was current for me for 23 months in row when it got approved. Can you believe this? PD was current for whole 23 months while I-485 was pending.
One of my goals is to help my future legal immigrants. Being a US citizen gives me vote voice and power. I am open to suggestions. I would like to help my fellow legal immigrants.
I know, the wait time is long, but it is worth it every bit.
Good Luck to everyone.
Hmmm so you have been a victim of random processing too? The situation is a mess no doubt. But this random processing really hits where it hurts the most...
IF ONLY everyone who gets a GC approval or citizenship could work at the CIS for a year... a sort of community service.... All of the problems wrt the random processing will go away...
I am sure most people on this board can hit the ground running and don't require extensive training... unlike the present day IOs.
When I filed for my I-485 in 2000, the PD was current for me for 23 months in row when it got approved. Can you believe this? PD was current for whole 23 months while I-485 was pending.
One of my goals is to help my future legal immigrants. Being a US citizen gives me vote voice and power. I am open to suggestions. I would like to help my fellow legal immigrants.
I know, the wait time is long, but it is worth it every bit.
Good Luck to everyone.
Hmmm so you have been a victim of random processing too? The situation is a mess no doubt. But this random processing really hits where it hurts the most...
IF ONLY everyone who gets a GC approval or citizenship could work at the CIS for a year... a sort of community service.... All of the problems wrt the random processing will go away...
I am sure most people on this board can hit the ground running and don't require extensive training... unlike the present day IOs.
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apb
09-18 02:10 PM
To Can2004, kubmilegagc, adobe howm, sriswam, MerciesOfInjustices
Seeing your postings gives me hope of getting GC this time.
Irritated with the lack of transparency and pathetic Customer service.
Created SR :- std reply blah blah.. under review..wait for 60 days.
Twice talked to IO :- First time response.. we are working on your case..
second response :- As per our info on my screen, it is not yet assigned to IO and neither pre-adjudicated. One person says one thing and another says another thing. I do not know what screen they are looking and how they are pulling info. What is the point of puting CSR if they have half baked info or worse no info on where the case is.
Have infopass appt late next week. Guess another garbage collecton day..:-)
Seeing your postings gives me hope of getting GC this time.
Irritated with the lack of transparency and pathetic Customer service.
Created SR :- std reply blah blah.. under review..wait for 60 days.
Twice talked to IO :- First time response.. we are working on your case..
second response :- As per our info on my screen, it is not yet assigned to IO and neither pre-adjudicated. One person says one thing and another says another thing. I do not know what screen they are looking and how they are pulling info. What is the point of puting CSR if they have half baked info or worse no info on where the case is.
Have infopass appt late next week. Guess another garbage collecton day..:-)
walking_dude
12-03 11:14 AM
IMO, this is the biggest problem plaguing IV - perception of IV as just another online forum (community) or a "chat room" as a newspaper reporter put it ! (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071123/NEWS07/711230422/1009) (under the heading "Taking Action").
This point IV = chat room has come to the fore, several times in discussions. A lot of persons have refused to join IV efforts with the ruse "IV is just an online forum where members discuss mundane matters". Whether someone admits it or not, IV has a serious image problem !. It needs to be corrected soon (by more than making another announcement type "We are not a forum" post !)
Strength of an(y) organization comes from contributing, active members. And not from MINOWs (Members-In-Name-Only Wusses)
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Strength of online communities is always the members...the higher the members the better.
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This point IV = chat room has come to the fore, several times in discussions. A lot of persons have refused to join IV efforts with the ruse "IV is just an online forum where members discuss mundane matters". Whether someone admits it or not, IV has a serious image problem !. It needs to be corrected soon (by more than making another announcement type "We are not a forum" post !)
Strength of an(y) organization comes from contributing, active members. And not from MINOWs (Members-In-Name-Only Wusses)
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Strength of online communities is always the members...the higher the members the better.
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srikondoji
06-08 09:45 AM
Well if we were to carry your reasoning a little bit further ...being a citizen of a country, any country, is only a privilege and not a right as you have to follow the rules and laws of the country.
The actual difference is in the definition as has been pointed out earlier.....
"right" - is something you can ask for because you think it is reasonably fair
"privilege" - is something you are not entitled to or deserve but nevertheless get because someone condescended to give it to you.
By the above definitions what would would classify getting permanent residence as.... the answer lies in the broader way of how we look at life and live it.
Do we always live in fear and cower in front of real and imagined threats - the GC is then a privilege.
Or do we live an honest life - do the best we can - and stand up for what we think is right or wrong irrespective of whether our lives are directly affected or not. The GC then is a right.
Getting a GC in United States is our dream. Following rules and following laws of the system is all what we can do. We can only highlight the defects in the system and ask for a change.
We live a honest life not out of fear of getting caught, but because we believe that that is the right thing to do.
If you are a citizen and stand up for what is right or wrong, then the concerned authorities should seriously look into it.
But if you are not a citizen and stand up for what is right or wrong, then you may be appreciated for that and receive a thank you note. The concerned authorities may or may not pay attention to your concerns. I may be wrong but this is what i feel about it at this time.
Convince me otherwise and i will change my thinking.
In the later case, if you approach authorities in a systematic and professional way and place your concerns like how our immigrationvoice is doing, chances are we will succeed in our efforts.
Thanks
sri
The actual difference is in the definition as has been pointed out earlier.....
"right" - is something you can ask for because you think it is reasonably fair
"privilege" - is something you are not entitled to or deserve but nevertheless get because someone condescended to give it to you.
By the above definitions what would would classify getting permanent residence as.... the answer lies in the broader way of how we look at life and live it.
Do we always live in fear and cower in front of real and imagined threats - the GC is then a privilege.
Or do we live an honest life - do the best we can - and stand up for what we think is right or wrong irrespective of whether our lives are directly affected or not. The GC then is a right.
Getting a GC in United States is our dream. Following rules and following laws of the system is all what we can do. We can only highlight the defects in the system and ask for a change.
We live a honest life not out of fear of getting caught, but because we believe that that is the right thing to do.
If you are a citizen and stand up for what is right or wrong, then the concerned authorities should seriously look into it.
But if you are not a citizen and stand up for what is right or wrong, then you may be appreciated for that and receive a thank you note. The concerned authorities may or may not pay attention to your concerns. I may be wrong but this is what i feel about it at this time.
Convince me otherwise and i will change my thinking.
In the later case, if you approach authorities in a systematic and professional way and place your concerns like how our immigrationvoice is doing, chances are we will succeed in our efforts.
Thanks
sri
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